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    Well, I must admit, while I was in other guilds, I also used to think that Jag use exploits or cheats in expeditions (I wasn't alone, many people still think that), because it was just astonishing and overwhelming to see how fast Jag progress in expeditions. Previous "sins" of this guild didn't help, because some members used exploits in the past - Jag is still marked as "bad guild" and its members as "cheaters".

    But let me tell you all something. There is not a single person here, who didn't use some kind of exploit at all, at least when it comes to more experienced players. And noobs very soon realize that there are many ways how they can progress faster in different parts of the game. We like to think that we can keep those little or big exploits as secrets, but it all eventually spreads like a virus.

    But, this is not the reason I wanted to reply to this post. Reason is simple - I participated in last Jag expedition, every day I spent many hours online, doing nothing else than expedition battles, and I wasn't alone. There are so many players, and all gave their best. That is why we achieved what we achieved, there were no cheats or exploits, all legit tactics and a bunch of very experienced players with very good gear.

    I guess that is a strong reason for jealousy - many Jag members were members of guilds that criticize Jag most - simply because people wanted to be in the most powerful guild on server so left some other guild to join Jag (like I did). Two of my friends erased me from friends list when we hit hard last expedition! Funny... And sad.

    Let me just add this - I am not interested in inter-guild politics, who hates who, who was saying bad things about who in the past, or right now, etc... I just want to play this game, progress as fast as possible and have fun along the way.

    I guess this reply will raise few eyebrows - and some people will think: "Well, of course he is defending his new guild..." and yes, I am defending it from false accusations. But I am not anyone's slave. Nor I have some other hidden agenda - and I will just say this for the end:

    Suck it up people, and don't blame this guild for being powerful, blame developers because many strong players left this game, because nothing new is introduced for way too long. This is why we have glitches, lags, bugs - lack of interest on their side. this is also the reason why there is dis-balance in power between guilds - so we have Jag on one side, with best players on server on one side, and other guilds, where there are not more then 5-6 strong and experienced players online, willing to participate in expedition push.

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    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan-Milan View Post
    Well, I must admit, while I was in other guilds, I also used to think that Jag use exploits or cheats in expeditions (I wasn't alone, many people still think that), because it was just astonishing and overwhelming to see how fast Jag progress in expeditions. Previous "sins" of this guild didn't help, because some members used exploits in the past - Jag is still marked as "bad guild" and its members as "cheaters".

    But let me tell you all something. There is not a single person here, who didn't use some kind of exploit at all, at least when it comes to more experienced players. And noobs very soon realize that there are many ways how they can progress faster in different parts of the game. We like to think that we can keep those little or big exploits as secrets, but it all eventually spreads like a virus.

    But, this is not the reason I wanted to reply to this post. Reason is simple - I participated in last Jag expedition, every day I spent many hours online, doing nothing else than expedition battles, and I wasn't alone. There are so many players, and all gave their best. That is why we achieved what we achieved, there were no cheats or exploits, all legit tactics and a bunch of very experienced players with very good gear.

    I guess that is a strong reason for jealousy - many Jag members were members of guilds that criticize Jag most - simply because people wanted to be in the most powerful guild on server so left some other guild to join Jag (like I did). Two of my friends erased me from friends list when we hit hard last expedition! Funny... And sad.

    Let me just add this - I am not interested in inter-guild politics, who hates who, who was saying bad things about who in the past, or right now, etc... I just want to play this game, progress as fast as possible and have fun along the way.

    I guess this reply will raise few eyebrows - and some people will think: "Well, of course he is defending his new guild..." and yes, I am defending it from false accusations. But I am not anyone's slave. Nor I have some other hidden agenda - and I will just say this for the end:

    Suck it up people, and don't blame this guild for being powerful, blame developers because many strong players left this game, because nothing new is introduced for way too long. This is why we have glitches, lags, bugs - lack of interest on their side. this is also the reason why there is dis-balance in power between guilds - so we have Jag on one side, with best players on server on one side, and other guilds, where there are not more then 5-6 strong and experienced players online, willing to participate in expedition push.

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    Firstly, sorry guys I couldn't participated in our last push
    And if I could, we would have probably reached +1 or 2 lvls more

    Now, with threads like this mixed emotions pop up. Do we have to be sorry for our success or potential, did we hurt anyone on the way, was there a single bad word spoken against any other player or guild? The game is laggy, full of issues, the content is obsolete and there is nothing new on the horizon. Nothing really in-there part from socialising and every now and then to do something stupid like breaking a record or just to do a stronger push...

    I guess we are all masochist, we basically hurt ourselves doing the only thing left to be done, with pissing off other guys in the game.

    I can live with the fact this is not sports and we are not all buddies, but it is sad I see not much but cheap politics and envy.

    Personally, my friends list is full with guys from many different guilds, and tbh I am not even sure for many which guilds they are in, and I don't care.

    Said that, my conclusion would be, if anyone has problems with anyone he or she should address it directly and not leave anything "in the air". I will be the first to raise the voice against unfair, no matter my guild, developers or else.

    Nitra please don't hide behind alt nicks, you are welcome to come out of the closet and finally start a constructive dialogue...if you want to.

    We are all sharing the same frustrations with this game and only an unison action may potentially give us new content and less buggy game in future.

    Cheers

    Kimi
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    Stage1: Blaming Developers for the Bugs.
    Stage2: Blaming other players for Bugs
    Stage3: Blaming ourselves for Bugs.
    Stage4: Blaming Obama, Brexit, Dementors, the old lady at the grocery store.

    I am personally not aware of any glitches that could cause bugged gates for other guilds, whatsoever, but bugged gates have been an issue ever since they got introduced.
    Check the upper left corner of your browser for the last patch update when you load a hero.

    I don't see a point for ruining someone else's fun by messing with glitches if as stated it's possible. If so, we are dealing with a person who has absolutely no life...have to kill boars in the forest till we're strong enough to beat him/her. Support staff has to find the root, and ban the player even if devs won't patch it.

    Anyway, I'm frustrated with the stage of the game, like you, barely logging in once, twice a week for a few hours...but would have never thought that its actually caused by players who want me to quit playing.
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    My Dearest Gravel.

    I am so sorry to hear that not only are you having technical issues, but since you are the one stating that there is “alleged expedition cheating” this is perhaps due to multiple misunderstandings with the game, troops or tactics.

    There have been no new bugs in expeditions in the last few months. Perhaps you are just experiencing them for the first time as you are working more in the gate. It’s a shame that you would choose to listen to rumours. This is a game where many things are said and is way more political than it should be and rumour should be taken with a grain of salt.

    You speak of glitches. Perhaps you are not familiar with what they are.
    Per Wikipedia: Video game glitches:
    “Glitches may include incorrectly displayed graphics, collision detection errors, game freezes/crashes, sound errors, and other issues.. Some glitches are potentially dangerous to the game's stored data”
    Perhaps you meant the slag “Glitching- this is an activity in which a person finds and exploits flaws or glitches in video games to achieve something that was not intended by the game designers. Gamers who engage in this practice are known as glitchers. Glitches can help or disable the player.”
    However, constant refreshing, bugged fights that do not display correctly or fights that are outside the map would fall under a Game Glitch, not a playing “ glitching” as these hinder not increase the speed of which a group of players can navigate the mazes and complete the fights. The only way to speed up the expeditions are More people, More hours, better gear and better tactics.

    You speak of doing half a dozen levels without getting a single Legendary, however, not all the gear is Legendary and often we slowly gear up in our guild with little increases from ALL the gear that drops. We have often gone 20-30 levels without a Legendary item. It’s all about perseverance.
    Perhaps with more time and exposure you will also become familiar with the fights and thus be able to increase your gear, speed and knowledge.

    To hold a guild in contempt because they are strong enough to hold the lead in the gate while also using the lead buff to help with outside expedition activities seems a little short sighted. This is exactly how BB designed it. You state this is asserting dominance for the sake of it, however, that would be if a guild dominated all the gates all the time because they could. From what I have seen, there are 4-8 main guilds always with the lead and no one asserts dominance. If the bonus were the end of the week, this would incite mass pushing of the gates on the last day and cause more inter-guild tensions.

    You state there are guilds doing the expeditions legitimately, This implies there are some not doing the expeditions legitimately, yet in your long post, you never pose how they are cheating or back up your accusations with any legitimate proof, legitimate documentation or legitimate explanation. This I can only surmise this is another speculation which is easily overcome by spending more time in the expeditions, overcoming the tactics problems and becoming more experienced and with better gear.


    To address your bugs you have listed:

    This doesn’t really matter as you can just look at the map to see if there are anymore to complete. It generally resets itself for the next maze.

    2) I have never experienced where the fights are done and battles unlock. Ever. This however, would be a game glitch. See the above definition. This would not be fault of any player and this not something to hold against anyone. Sometimes things just happen with code. Each expedition gate is a separate instance so when one bugs, the others do not. Unless this is an issue with the server which again, would be a game glitch and a frustration to the entire player community.


    3) As previously explained by others, this issue can be easily resolved by exiting the fight before you actually accept to attack. With more experience and time in the expeditions, you will easily be able to see when a fight is bugged before you start it. Sometimes, if the player has not refreshed the game in a while, that may also need to be done. It could also be because you are not using a license to turn off the timed fights They can easily be purchased in the shop and last 2 weeks.

    4) The leadership of the maze is determined when you complete a level, Like a relay race where you have many stops on the way and it takes many people but the finish line are the treasures. Of course the leader is not displayed until the level is finished. It’s not battle by battle update, it’s level by level. Again you use the word glitching- There is no play involvement here, not is there a glitch here. Perhaps more time spent in the expeditions would help your knowledge of how they work.

    5) The battle power does not show up for fights that are not common, so if you are finding this in a common fight, then this is your first clue it didn’t load correctly and as previously pointed out, exiting and restarting fixes this immediately. Perhaps more time and experience in the expeditions would help with your knowledge in this. If you are forced to exit because of a game glitch, if you take a screenshot and sent into BB, they will review to replace your troops. Perhaps this is where you are loosing a bulk of your time which allows other guilds, who know how to circumvent this issue pass you, giving you the illusion they have been glitching their way past when in fact they know simple techniques to clear the game issues.
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    You speak of glitching a gate, yet again you never pose how they are cheating or back up your accusations with any legitimate proof, legitimate documentation or legitimate explanation. Perhaps your fights are timed and you are not stopping them, or you have entered a bugged fight ( see above on how to clear that issue) and the Prime and Undead fights are always longer. Because these instances are completely separate guild from guild, there is no way one guilds actions can stop your guild from getting treasures. If they were linked, if one gate because unusable then all gates would be across the server, or if 2 guilds were in the same gate, then the winner would get the treasures and the other would not.

    I do find it odd you keep citing rumours, gossip and speculation as your source of information. There are only 3 servers for the game and no guild has been banned. To post about this only incites more gossip and brings up resentment over something that someone made up without any legitimate proof, legitimate documentation or legitimate explanation

    You ask if Bluebyte will stop this problem. The only problem I see is rumour mongering to cause issues and implied hatred towards others and guild tensions. That is up to you if you want to buy into what people say without any legitimate proof, legitimate documentation or legitimate explanation. However, by your post I can see you have already done this.

    Hope all is well my friend.

    Karly.

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    "version with less errors"

    I have no idea why, but for a long time to see the "old" players who are those only to the date of joing game, playing for some time, leave,
    when return after some time find new strategies developed a "new" players, which greatly facilitates this game full of bugs and lags
    ( if for a decent set of the 13 t have to play a few thousand combat with all the lags and bugs every relief is welcome) condemn it as it
    themselves because of their shortsightedness they could figure out

    If players use some strategy of to kill one or two tough fights in one level expeditions to facilitate everyone to achieve more level and
    if we have on mind to in one single season got one or two of the items that can be used and to share with the entire Guild. Every help,
    every strategy is welcome.

    Why do you hate this game and want others to take harder to have fun in game ??

    Why strategy that makes it easier for other games and fun posting on the forum with a request to abolish ??

    DO NOT OTHERS spoil party

    Mind your own business
    IF game not bring u any fun more u know what u need to do.

    nobody will remember by what kind of equipment we have but what we were in communication with others
    (My guild not use that particulaty stategy i stand ground here for all those player who still have fun in this game i think is not that is wrong to use any stategy that facilitate the battles within what the game allows)

    Tratincica

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    and i blame moo for bad drop in game
    chears

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    I have experienced Gravels point 2 on several occasions where even on level 1 expedition that there are no battles and the 3 end treasures are unlocked but are empty

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    Ahahaha, ill be glad to see devs makin expeditions more fun and without bugs Gravel listed and way far misunderstood - Gravel, if these bugs were not present in expeditions Jag and all other active guilds would finish way faster any Exp lvl cause the game wont bug their fights, gates,maps, and whatevr else bugs... I get out from expeditions many times just because they become unplayable - sometimes not 1 normal battle without bugs (need for refresh, or enemy moves and becomes invisible,or...........)... The exploit Jag uses in exp is known to many players who been in Jag for a while - it is f awesome to coordinate with good players that ceep their nerves calm and help each other complete huge maps in exp time after time - you cant beat that exploit my friend, good luck tryin.
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